Poo-Kashi, Bamboo IMO Sticks, and Blueberry Peach Strains, with OKCalyxx
Posted on May 1st, 2023 to Transcripts
Jordan River 0:00
Greetings cultivators from around the world Jordan River here back at you with more GrowCast chat dammit. Today OK Calyx is back. You know him, you love him. He’s here to talk about his jedem practices we talked about his different Bokashi experiments, making his IMO, preparing for the Community Cup, growing outside, resisting heat. We covered just about everything in this episode so I know you’re gonna love it. Before we jump in with OK Calyx though, shout out to AC Infinity proud sponsors of community cup ac infinity.com code grow cast one five gets the biggest savings out there on all things grow kits, grow lights, grow tents, they got pots, they got fans, best fans in the game, best tents in the game if I do say so myself. Plus they have the full blown kits and the code works on that as well. So make sure to grab yourself that extra veg tent, that extra flowering light whatever you need AC Infinity has it ac infinity.com code grow cast one five always and they are also sponsoring the community cup on May 7 and giving away a full grow kit to a new grower so huge thank you to AC infinity, we stand behind them they stand behind us some of the best quality equipment in the game, including hands down the best fans and best tents that you can find. So go and grab it. AC infinity.com code grow cast one five all day long. And thank you AC infinity for your continued support. Alright, let’s get into it with OK Calyx Thank you for listening and enjoy the show.
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OK Calyx 2:19
What’s happening? Glad to be here, man. Thanks for asking me.
Jordan River 2:22
Yeah, brother. Thank you for coming on the show again. So it’s been a minute you’ve been killing it over on Instagram at OK Calyx with two x’s there. Go and find them. Your videos are awesome. Everybody loves to see you fucking around with the jam stuff making your own inputs. What have you been up to man? What have you been working on? What study and research have you been immersed in? What’s going on with OK Calyx?
OK Calyx 2:45
Well, what I did today was a whole lot of porn inputs and just kind of bagging things that have been jarring things up the I spent the most time today was my lap my final pour of OHP and I’ve done two O H NS oriental herbal nutrient. And one I call it O H in white, the other was O H in black just because of the liquor that’s involved. Basically the herbs and all are the same but the though H in white, I use perhaps beer to ferment the dry ingredients like cinnamon and star anise and maybe clove if you use it, you know, kind of the hard ingredients that don’t have any moisture in them. You have to ferment them in beer. And then I also use vodka for the heavy alcohol, the high alcohol percentage. Nice. And then the O H in black. I used Guinness beer. It’s awesome. And I really liked it. I didn’t make as much as though hmm Black is this was more of a test run. I’d never made a I’d never used dark beer or dark liquor. But I use Guinness as the beer to ferment the dry ingredients. And then for the stabilization process I use dark rum. Let me see what he used. Well, Bacardi black, I use Bacardi black from red. So the beer was super black. The Bacardi is definitely dark, you know the dark rum. And so it’s come out really dark looking. It’s really cool. The other one is going to lighten up I can tell just already by some settlement today. But this doesn’t have the black is really dark. So this is fun. So I’m important. Oh HN I poured five gallons of labs today jarred up five gallons of labs. And I made a see I made one gallon of humic acids. I make humic acids from if this is right the back he sent me he was it was a barter I did and it says rethink soil.com Anyway, we did a barter with a lot of my inputs. And he sent me his hummus is human materials human material. It’s from Oregon forest floor. and it’s just beautiful pulverize black material and I strain it with hot water. Then we’ll just I just make a mixture of you know a homemade humic acid humic acids and it’s really dark really pretty there I mixed it up today I use a warm water to mix it and stir for a while you know shake add a little more waters there and it’s a little process but it’s sitting there jarred up a bunch of integrated IMO two in my integrated IMO two I call it integrated because I started with get started with my IMO two I started with Marco is growing I took IMO two from his IMO three Neverwinter farms I took IMO two from his IMO three the soil guru who I just listened to him on your last podcast just yesterday I believe it was a good show I took I took I actually went out to his house and got field IMO and pulled IMO two from that and then Kennedy natural farming I went out into his fields and I got I got just you know materials and I pulled IMO two from it so this is a super IMO that’s correct that was the idea I just called integrated because that’s a good word for it made it quick and easy this they’ve all been integrated when I pulled all my IMO two and I made it you know I dumped it all into one five gallon bucket I just mixed it all together and let it sit there and then I’m continually what I did was in a five gallon bucket I still have all of that field IMO that I got have Marco is growing his IMO three his bamboo leaf IMO three is in there Neverwinter farms his IMO three it’s a five gallon bucket full all their stuff and so I will constantly take IMO two from that bucket of material and add that into that five gallon bucket of integrated IMO two oh man and it just constantly resupply as
Jordan River 6:55
you are reaching some new levels..
OK Calyx 6:57
But that’s just part of what I’ve been doing. It’s nuts, man.
Jordan River 7:01
You are reaching some new levels. I absolutely love it.
OK Calyx 7:03
Heck yeah. And I Transpac I didn’t get here. Oh, yeah, dude, I transplant Oh, can’t believe Yeah, this is worthy of talking right now. I just transplanted the prettiest peach dosi crossed a Bluetooth into about a 10 gallon pot today. Fuck yeah. And so it’s right and now it’s getting through the transplant part. It’s got two leaves that are Wilton lomi. But everything else is looking really good. So it’s growing. Wow, that’s a great cast cross I did with my it was my strangely too. And then I added a gushers plant that is really super fruity. I’m going to be crossing it this summer. And I got much Ariana Grande that I chose. And I it’s so big and pretty. It’s in about a 10 gallon pot. I can’t wait to get it into amount of 50 and then it’s going to go into the ground. And then I’m looking at two blueberry muffins right here that I always like to play with like fried that girl a lot.
Jordan River 7:55
Damn, dude, I’m so excited for that peach. dosi cross that sounds incredible. Man. I’m really super Stoney, fun shout out to Old Bay. And Rhys Oh rich and everybody that went into that cross now, okay, you’ve been hard at work, man. And I know, first of all, you know that I love that you teach people how to do this stuff. You educate people on why it’s effective. That’s something that I’m very interested in. But then you also provide the materials for purchase because someone like me ain’t gonna have time to do a lot of this stuff. And my last run came out super, super special man. I don’t think that it was, you know, not due to the things that I added like your compost, some bio vast, I just I microbially enriched it a little more this last time and I see good results with that man. So I love that you make it available to the public. Now you brought up the O H M that you’re making though, I got to dive into o h n with you this this herbal firm hit that, that K and ephors and Jad M folk get into so let’s start super basic. What is O HN? What is it good for and then let’s move into the more advanced stuff. What are your tips for people who are already making it and into it? Okay,
OK Calyx 8:59
now I’m not a professional Oh HN maker it you don’t have to make it often because it makes so much like I sent you a video of all the chin that I had jarred up. And it’s so much so this is probably this is probably my third round of actually doing what would be technically traditional o HN. I added the O H in black this time kind of as an experiment kind of having with it. And then I also have other o h NS that are not the the traditional six or seven ingredients will go over but I’ve just got like a jar of crushed garlic and ginger just crushed. They’ve been I’ve had little beer added in there and I’ve had vodka added to it. And so I’m just making an extraction right? It’s an O HN and said an oriental herbal nutrient.
Jordan River 9:49
You’re experimenting dude.
OK Calyx 9:50
Right? Yeah, exactly. I like that. More experimentation because what I’m doing is using those testers using the tests or plants that are coming up outside and I will I’ll dilute this probably one too. 1000 To begin with, and spray it on a plant and just see if it kills it or not, you know, and then I’m like, Okay, I’ll go from here. Right? So that’s kind of what I have. I have some other jars in there. But the traditional oh a chant the traditional Oh Hmm, let me see here. So, let me start with this. You have garlic, you have ginger, you have cinnamon, star anise, and then Angelica twice. You have two jars of Angelica. Okay. And again, the O HN. Traditional way has its very traditional follow the rule methods right? If you listen to Chris chop he says My teacher told me started clockwise right that’s what you do sir clockwise. So you know, if somebody fired Christian
Jordan River 10:49
Well, what do we do that on the southern hemisphere as well? What about in Australia? Do we start counterclockwise Australia?
OK Calyx 10:55
Guess you gotta do handstands third. Believe it or not, I don’t really stir it. I kind of shake mine a little bit you swing because you’re Swisher Yeah, swish it. I’m gonna shake her loose Fisher because what you do is you got to take the lids off every time. And if you have the metal lids that sugar in the liquor has already formed us sticky sill and you gotta get a heater out to open it up. Otherwise, you got to buy these kinds of expensive lids a Walmart that are plastic that don’t stick and they’re real nice and sealable those little ones I use but they’re expensive. But they’re used just for these Oh H 10 jars. Anyway. garlic, ginger, cinnamon, star anise and to Angelica and the garlic in the ginger are wet. I’m hoping I don’t forget anything. I just stripped all the labels off I’m hoping I don’t forget man but but garlic and ginger are your wet ingredients. And you make an F p j with those you make a garlic FPJ in one Jharna and ginger FBJ in another and all that means is you crush up a bunch of garlic you weigh it you add that much brown sugar mix it together put it in the jar and that’s that’s just a basic F p j right Fermented Plant Juice.
Jordan River 12:07
Did you add licorice? I see licorice Angelica cinnamon, ginger or turmeric and then garlic. Yes,
OK Calyx 12:15
I did not use interesting I use Tumeric in my in my black. I use Tumeric in the HM black because it’s real. It’s currently looking but it gets really thick and oily looking. It’s not oil but it’s just the way the extract looks. Yeah, it’s got a real cool coat Charedi color look to it. It’s just a ginger it’s just another type of ginger it’s a smaller every time I’ve seen it it’s always a smaller ginger like some gingers can be big and fat have little legs that come off everywhere you know. Tumeric is more of a finger size right side. It’s
Jordan River 12:48
a plant. Ginger family. That’s I’ve never put that. I mean it makes sense. It looks like it and everything that’s funny.
OK Calyx 12:53
Yeah, it but it’s carefully look and when you break it open Yeah. When you break it open it has a bit of a cavity ginger smell but check this out. When you ferment it. It smells like Dr. Pepper or Pepsi. Oh, yeah, has this awesome coke smell whatever it is, but it totally. I let my wife smell it. And she’s like, definitely smells like Dr. Pepper. So yeah, that’s one of the pretty interesting about tumeric. But but the OA Chin’s, here’s the thing, there’s one traditional way, and it’s kind of like the Korean Natural Farming Method, like the way they did it. And they documented it. And they said, This is how we will do our O HN. That’s kind of though, that’s Well, that’s the traditional way that you kind of first learn. But after that, you start to learn, oh, I can use anything really to make a change. I mean, not anything but it needs to, it needs to have a property of beneficial properties such as an antibacterial, antifungal, anti pathogenic, and it helps the plant’s immune system and all that stuff. And you’re extracting that benefit out of the herbs, right, that antifungal benefit or whatever is in that plant, and you’re getting it into the liquid. And you can do that with lots of different herbs. It doesn’t have to be just these six or seven specific ones that are used in the traditional way. You can use lots of different things random in my oh hm black I use all the traditional ones. But then I also added Tumeric just because it gives us this dark shiny look. I thought it might work and I think it did.
Jordan River 14:20
That’s really cool, man. I love the experimentation what
OK Calyx 14:22
it is. Yeah, it’s just it what it is, is is one one thing is people drink it for health because again, you’re getting those those antifungal antibacterial properties from those herbs into your body. And then the Chinese medicine and I’m definitely no pro area. I don’t know anything about it. I only know what I read in Chinese medicine. You know, some of these herbs make you warm, some of them make you cold. It’s the yin and yang you know, and this is the idea within this Oreos, herbal nutrient kind of to balance things is the idea thing. So that’s used for human consumption. It has a lot of a lot of alcohol, I guess total almost total alcohol so I’d never drink it because I am I’m on the wagon. I don’t drink. Yeah, but I use a lot of liquor to make a chin. Yeah, I
Jordan River 15:08
know people do drink it though and like you said it’s good for your health. Now you’re applying this full year And do you ever apply to the roots as well?
OK Calyx 15:15
So what I do always is I always familiar with mine when I owe a chin when I started when I use my chin I always use it as a folder if we’re discussing plants. I don’t ever put it in my JLF because I only use JLF right and that’s the genome thing I don’t I don’t put it in my jail but what I do use it for both sides the sides making it and selling it as a product to people who cannot make it or just need it. I use it in my IMO three fours and five making
Jordan River 15:45
Oh really? How do you do that? Because you know, I’d imagine the antibacterial antifungal might be counterintuitive to that but you told me
OK Calyx 15:51
well there is there is that idea but then there also is a nutrient aspect for food for microbes that are in there from those from those plants. Again, this is only going from reading and making it and using it but when I use like when I made my bamboo leaf IMO three I showed on my okay calyx page and it’s just written with fungus CNO written with fungal activity and it’s thick and cloudy. I used a good amount of OHS in there and a good amount meaning about two ounces. You know, it’s two shot glasses worth which isn’t that much, but really chin. That’s quite, that’s quite a bit. You if you follow through with it, you’re following it one to 1000 Make sure you have me like a teaspoon to 32 ounces or something like that.
Jordan River 16:32
Oh man, so that didn’t hold back the fungal life at all. It exploded with that, oh HN application.
OK Calyx 16:37
That’s right, it helps and you know, oh, a chin is supposed to help help produce or attract and the robic or sorry, aerobic bacteria. And it’s supposed to help fight off anaerobic bacteria. Now that’s the that’s the KNF side and the KNF teaching the geodome side we are totally anaerobic. We deal with anaerobic stuff, constantly. Everything we do gets turned into anaerobic because we don’t turn compost. We don’t we use put everything in a liquid bucket. So everything is underwater. All those microbes are anaerobic. But on the KNF side, that’s one of the benefits that I have read about is that it’s supposed to help get rid of anaerobic bacteria. But I think that man I think that is just kind of a kind of a thing that I’m learning that um, KNF is a little bit biased towards anaerobic because they want to make all a aerobic bacteria in their stuff. And Geodon just goes flat out anaerobic, right. 100%, anaerobic, you know, it’s easy, it’s cheap. It’s just very Mother Nature. You don’t have to do anything. It all goes to anaerobic real quick, you know, so you don’t turn piles of stuff down low where there’s no oxygen getting in there. Lots of anaerobic microbes, but that’s one reason that like compost people will say turn that compost because you don’t want to go anaerobic well in the Geodon world my compost buckets that I’m looking at right now I haven’t turned them in coming on probably eight to 10 months and the compost download looks beautiful and you know it’s just how it is it because you don’t just simply means doing like doing like Mother Nature does living like Mother Nature knows growing like Mother Nature does composting like Mother Nature does and if you look at Mother Nature she layers right she doesn’t turn things just constantly get fall on top of each other and on top comes the food source on the bottom comes up the food eaters the shredders the microbes, and they meet in the middle to make that good soil that we like.
Jordan River 18:35
Okay, so you referred to your Instagram page I have to bring up a post that I recently saw that I thought was really cool. You were working with bamboo IMO but then after you were done with it, you like loaded it back into bamboo tubes and tied them into like IMO spears. What was this post do that was sick?
OK Calyx 18:54
Yeah, that was awesome. Those were some mat. So there’s a massive bamboo grow. That is one mile from my house that I have always gone to since really since I’ve started getting into the IMO one thing, because I read that bamboo has the most microbiology at its roots as a grass compared to any other grass and maybe compared to a whole lot of other living.
Jordan River 19:16
Makes sense. But it has the growing grass, too. Right?
OK Calyx 19:20
That’s right. Well, I
Jordan River 19:21
wonder if that has anything to do with each other?
OK Calyx 19:24
Don’t you think so. And if you if you look at my page, you’ll see me dig around the roots of bamboo because I have read a lot of doctoral papers on lactobacillus bacteria near and on bamboo roots and trying to understand this all got that when the rise of algae cycle started coming out and you got James White writing papers and and you know everybody mostly gets introduced to it from Jeff Long sales books, right? And it’s like oh my goodness. So that’s going on in the root system and then you’re like read one paper for some girl or boy getting their PhD talks about The roots of bamboo and how the microbiology was exponentially higher in number when they tested it. And I’m like I got a bamboo grove right over here. And one early spring I go out there and I started looking around the roots of the bamboo and I videoed this this year and it’s on my page man. Scraping back a few layers of fallen bamboo leaf and acorns from an oak tree. There’s a bit right on the edge of the bamboo grow or some big acorns and so it’s a perfect mixture of carbohydrate fallen down from those nuts and carbon from the leaf of the bamboo and sticks found on top. There are fungal clouds mycelium clouds that are four inches thick that are super deep you and it’s on my page go watch it I’m not exaggerating. I stick my fingertips down in it three times and it’s still white. And I’m just got a I got five gallon buckets full of material that is nothing but frosty white cloudy stuff and I’m like I’m just saying like guys this is IMO three you’re harvesting IMO three out of the ground right now this is what you’re trying to make is what I am pulling off of these roads right now it’s IMO three right? But I use it because I added a you know a few more things to it and then I and then I added the ingredients I made it an actual IMO three and I called it my bamboo leaf IMO three. And it’s gorgeous. It’s what I’ve been selling with all my packs and it’s what I’ve been using on my own I actually just taught dressed with some of it on cherry on the ground day yesterday and the new transplants I top dressed with it, and some Canna coffee I made today, but it’s very it’s high. I haven’t had it tested, you know, haven’t had scoped or anything like that. But you just the eyeball test is where you it’s crazy guys like, golly,
Jordan River 21:49
it’s a good sign.
OK Calyx 21:50
So absent. So that’s the bamboo grow. That’s the bamboo grow. And I went out there and I cut down a bunch of bad big old tall bamboo sticks. So I can post up tomatoes and all kinds of other stuff. And one of them one of them split open and just hinged perfectly right, it didn’t crack open, it just hit like there was a hand and it split wide open. And I grabbed it and I could fold it right back up. And it would fold right back open, I’d fold it right back. I was like this is perfect together. I am all in. And so I took it home and I was like I’m gonna pack it full of rice, close it up, zip tied it on both ends. And then I took it back out to the bamboo grow. And I covered it back up with leaves and all this stuff in the in that good area. And, you know, went back out in a couple days, and it was just covered. And that was that was early spring, the temperatures weren’t even that great, right? I mean, it was just, it’s such a good place to harvest microbes.
Jordan River 22:43
I don’t know why I was just so tickled by that fucking IMO spear because, you know, what it made me think of is this new theory new ish theory that the Amazon rainforest was a permaculture forest planted by indigenous people, because what they found was biochar that had been brought in from a different location. So the idea being that ancient people who were way smarter than a lot of people give ancient people credit for right, they knew about this stuff, they probably transported some sort of IMO to start that permaculture forest. That’s probably the technology they were using man, there was somebody in the forest with no distractions looking at that same split bamboo going hey, you know what, this would hold something really well. And just the idea of like, I don’t know this is always like protests, begging to be protest planted like taking these spears and plugging them into farms just because it’s yeah, it’s pretty cool. And that’s cool. It’s neat.
OK Calyx 23:37
So there’s other videos on there of me harvesting anaerobic microbes from bamboo and you take paint I think I told you this before I know I did. Take pantyhose fill up full of rice, dig a hole about a foot down in the ground and stick the pantyhose down in that hole and cover it back up with the dirt and pack it all back in. And it’s completely anaerobic conditions down there. And you gather the rice and it’ll be super creamy and smell like mushrooms every time they have IMO gathering Yeah,
Jordan River 24:09
that’s what’s up it’s like a it’s like a powerful regenerative bio weapon. I love it man very very cool shit that you’re working on any hose full of micro amp right gotta get your patios fucking micro balloons the order of cultivation grow cast membership we got you covered your garden issues solved. Connecting with local growers in your area trading cuts discounts on genetics members only genetics it’s all happening inside grow cast membership. Go to grow cast podcast.com/membership We are currently open for registration you can hop on in check out the hundreds of hours of bonus content. The members only discord discounts on grow cast seed go on classes and on a bunch of other products that only members get discounts on you will not regret it Welcome home to your new family the order of cultivation we focus on lifting each Another up as growers not letting the petty little things divide us keeping it positive and of course handling any and all garden issues that you have Marybeth Sanchez in the chat always helping out along with our esteemed team of mods. You are going to love the order of cultivation find it at grow cast podcast.com/membership I’ll see you there everybody. Happy growing. We’re here to help
now, You mentioned the can Akashi. Let’s go here, man. You’ve worked with all sorts of substrates, right? Yeah. Again, for the Super beginner this idea of applying Bokashi which is usually like an inoculated grain right? It’s some sort of grain product or like a rice hole type situation that’s been inoculated with their brand and fungal life bacterial life. It’s like a it’s like a fungal carrier. But you said hey, you don’t you don’t have to use brand people use it because it’s cheap and it’s effective and all those things. You tried it with your your bow coffee, you tried it with coffee, I want to talk about that. You tried it with poop. You did poo coffee. And now can Akashi which I’m actually most interested in is that Canna coffee? Okay, yeah,
OK Calyx 26:09
so when the kana coffee came so the the word because she simply means fermented organic matter and it’s anaerobically fermented and it’s going to be fermented with sweetness a carb and a bacteria which is which is going to be a lactobacilli bacteria, some type of bacteria. So when you take Okay, so Canna Kashi what we did was I let a bunch of cannabis plants that have had the flowers harvested, there were nothing but stiff hearts basis stems, you know, just imagine that cannabis plant got everything chopped off except the stems Yeah, the skeleton good word for it. And so the skeleton is just totally got dried up in the sun. I took about oh gosh, just by 15 Big black trash bags full of the skill skeleton to at Kennedy natural farming. Matt Kenny natural farming he shredded them up in a wood chipper. Oh hell, they got totally ground up. All right, I took them all back home. I spread them all out on my grass and I got I got a huge black tote with chicken wire on top of it pretty big great chicken wire it was it was cut not big, big but fairly big that those that the ground up stems could fall through. And what happened was the ground up hard woody chunks fell through but the fibers all stayed on top of the chicken wire, and so on. I’ve got about two bagfuls of cannabis fiber and that I’m using to make in my next time oh three pile and I took the woody bits that fell through and I use those plus a bunch of wood dust and what does is just a log that’s fallen and that’s got so eaten up and dehydrated you can grab it and it just powders on you right you know, you can just crumble it and it just puts into dust. There’s a log out by my house out here in the woods that’s like that I go get a five gallon bucket, it just logged us. And so that’s what I did. I had it logged just to the chopped up hint pieces. I added my labs that are made lactic acid bacteria and added molasses equal parts labs and molasses and I’ve mixed all that together I added some water to get the moisture level right that I wanted. And then I tie all that in a in two black trash bags tied up real tight, fill it good, you know with a zip tie if I need to. And I’ll let that ferment for two weeks anaerobically. After two weeks, you’ll take that you’ll take that Bo Kashi now so what it’s called, you’ll take Bokashi out and let it dry. And once it’s dried, then it’s carrying a bunch of microbes on it in a dry form so it won’t self start or start to farm it you know it’s dry so it can be stored. But then when applied to a wet area you’re gonna wake those microbes up and it’s gonna that’s why you can apply it to compost or topdress and things like that. But anyway, this was used this Bokashi was used with cannabis Oh, wait reused cannabis product by product and I made a Bokashi with it that is useful that I’ve already taught dress with today. A top dress that peach dosi crossed the Bluetooth with Canna Kashi I use some of my compost also and then I tied that back back up and stuck it under my trailer and that’s where it is. So that’s can Akashi just fermented What’s that? Why not recycle reuse something cannabis
Jordan River 29:39
OK Calyx 29:40
There’s a better word for repurpose bio remediation or all those good words that I’m not saying right now. Yeah, repurpose cannabis bio waste. There you go.
Jordan River 29:49
Which one do you think was the most effective? Like talk to me a bit about the poo Kashi and the bow coffee. It’s hard to say all these things. And which one would you like recommend and which one wouldn’t you recommend what difference Did you notice that sort of thing?
OK Calyx 30:01
Alright, so I’ll go through, I just talked about Kana Kashi these are all both coffees, right, but I like to call them things give names because it makes us all laugh and it gives us some talk about and it kind of helps you understand actually what it is. So Canada coffee, the next one was to coffee. And my neighbor has moved in and she has chickens moved in as in a year ago. But this this springs, my oldest son does a lot of landscape work and we just met her and he’s like that he’s the one that found the compost bins for me, my black compost bins that I have out here in front of gasoline alley, my shit, he found those doing yard work for me. And then he found this lady and he said that she’s got chickens man, and she wants me to clean those chicken beds. And I was like barring it here, he brought me seven eight bags full of chicken bedding, chicken manure covered and pee and all this. And so I got some of that let it dry out for probably about three or four weeks is to really use it in a like in a soil mixture, it needs to break down for safely eight months, six to eight months, and these days break down. Because chickens poopoo and pee in the same place. That’s why you can use rabbit poop immediately, you know, saying yeah, it’s just poopoo does have our high nitrogen, but chickens will pee and poop in the same a safe spot there.
Jordan River 31:19
That’s right, so you get the nitrogen content from the pee. It’s called the CLO Aika, as a student recently pointed out to me is the chicken cloaca. And I was gonna ask, is the nitrogen gonna be a problem?
OK Calyx 31:32
I think we have to say that word.
Jordan River 31:35
Yeah, we say that. Yeah. Can we say that?
OK Calyx 31:37
We say that. So yes, it will be a problem. If you use a lot of it, you know, it’s really good to put in compost that you’d letting go for five or six months, it’s great for that. It’s great just to let sit and break down in a spot that you’re not growing anything in like over and over the fall to have chicken manure just break down in your notes to bed, you know, then a spot will be great. There’s just going to let that that urea run out into the ground and let it be gathered up how the how the soil once
Jordan River 32:11
that makes a lot of sense, because it’s being rinsed out. Nitrogen is a very mobile nutrient it travels well. That makes a lot of sense. And and also I’ve heard with the depending on I don’t know I’m sure your your neighbors are responsible farmer and things like that. But depending on the type of poo I heard, you also want to compost it because of what animals are sometimes fed. So like if they have to be fed a de wormer for instance.
OK Calyx 32:34
You’re exactly right. Any animal waste that you use, you have to know what’s what they ate, you know, then I don’t know everything that every animal ate. That’s one of the problems. You know what I’m saying? I
Jordan River 32:44
was told to compost though, because if you compost long enough, it’ll clean out those things.
OK Calyx 32:49
That’s exactly right. Give it time. That’s what microbes do. And if you’re not sure if something, give it eight months, give eight months to a year, compost plant, but food scraps with it, you know, let it sit outside, but just composted. Just what mowed grass leaves. And microbiology takes care of a whole lot of that stuff. But more importantly, what you’re doing is you’re just trying to practice regenerative methods man, you know, I can’t help I can’t know every sources. Every source of grain that I use, like if I get the coffee from Starbucks, and I know saw the pesticide argument but I can’t guarantee everything. What I’m doing is I’m trying to practice genetic methods, right? That’s what I’m trying to do. Everything won’t be perfect.
Jordan River 33:30
That’s exactly right. You got to work with what you’re given. And in situations like that, that is where you’re supposed to use the magic of microbiology to break down those things or to remediate things, the magic of bio accumulators like like him,
OK Calyx 33:43
let the chicken manure break down. But what I did is this I use about 1/3 chicken manure chicken bedding chicken manure chicken clumps that had been broken down and had been like I said three or four weeks dried out in the sun really crumbled up well that doesn’t mean that got any urea out of it, nothing like that. It just means it was a better product to work with and make Bokashi with this kind of the fighters were dusty or the material the more dried is the more absorbent it is you can kind of get it for me I can get it to a better moisture fill because I just go by hand and I you know just the feel and the texture, the smokiness of it you know when you grab something wet and wet oats or something like that. That’s Mackay sound. I go by that. So I did some poo cause I probably a third chicken manure and then the rest was wheat bran and mix those two together firming Bo Kashi style with labs and molasses and it has about four more days to go and then we’ll crack it open and dry it out and probably taking some of it to the community cup. But what I’m going to use it as is a nitrogen top dress. I’m gonna let it sit and ferment and do its Bokashi thing. And then I am gonna experiment with it. I’m going to top dress with it on a plant and I’m gonna water it and give it a couple of days and just see what happens. And just see, cuz when I use here’s why, here’s why I’m making a high nitrogen top, just a shader we’re back way back up. Sometimes my JLF I feel is not strong enough with nitrogen based on the coloration of my plants, some some strains can handle it, some strains respond quite well, some strains are grow long enough that I know even when grown with news, what they look like as compared to grow with organics. And I know that grown with my own organic. The way I’ve been doing it my form now for quite some time. When I use my jail F for about the last three weeks, my plant color went much lighter green. I thought maybe my nitrogen is low, just because of the look of the plant. But then what I think I did is this, I think I realized that I haven’t stirred my jail left much at all. I just been dipping my cup down in there almost all winter long, I haven’t really grown many plants. And with JLF I just use a pint to five gallon bucket and I’ll let that five gallon bucket sit around for four or five days. And just keep watering the plants with it so you don’t get in there as much. And now this summer I’ve been I’ve been watering my garden areas, my notes hills. And I’m like I have not stirred my JLF and I started stirring my JLF and these plants have made a total change. So that’s a quite a lot of community advice. JLF is out there, stir, stir stir.
Jordan River 36:27
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense with the minerals, maybe settling. It’s so cool how that JLF changes over time over such long periods. I like that man, I like that it
OK Calyx 36:36
is changing dude is totally changing. So anyway, I thought I had low nitrogen with that JLF and I was going to have to supplement it somehow. So I was like, well I’m gonna use this Bokashi or this chicken manure makes them because you know, we have some high nitrogen. And I’ll just test with it. And I think the stirring actually fix it. And now I’ve got Bokashi on my hands. And so that’s a that’s a fun one that I actually made for necess out of necessity, you’re left holding the bag so the next one was Bo coffee and that’s going to Starbucks or any any buddy not to go to Starbucks go to your guy that you want to go to coffee, but I would Starbucks I don’t know any coffee guys, and got a bunch of their grounds for gardens. If you go to Starbucks and say can I have your grounds for gardens, most of the Starbucks people will say Yeah, hold on, and bring back a fat sack of grounds like maybe 10 to 50 pounds of grounds like I’ve got big, big bags before. Then I’ll dry the grounds out, get them totally dusty, dry. And then you can add wheat bran rice holes, whatever the case may be I simply fermented strictly coffee grounds in Bokashi style right with labs and em and mix it up, let it ferment for two weeks dry it out and you have a bo Kashi made of coffee, therefore we call it coffee.
Jordan River 37:49
I love the bow coffee and I have to push back against the pesticide argument because if people say oh, those that’s a heavily pesticide crop, what’s your listen to it? I used to do a whole show on coffee. I’ve gone deep into this. But then the the counter argument to that is okay, so then what do we just let it go to the waste, that’s what you’re suggesting is we don’t use it, we have to remediate it and use it because it is a massive powerhouse of energy that gets thrown away every single day. The thing about coffee is it’s the second most consumed beverage in the world behind water. So there is a massive amount of specifically nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, and a whole bunch of organic acids. A lot of the same organic acids occur in cannabis, by the way. So it’s a very powerful plant medicine. It has caffeine so it gets a little bit of a bad rap. Because caffeine isn’t a completely benign compound, like THC is it is a stimulant, it can kill you all of these things. But much like cannabis, there are studies that show that coffee is really, really good for you. If you grow it and you don’t spray it with pesticides, and you grow it regeneratively it’s very, very good for you. So I want to say a few things, which is I push back against the pesticide argument. I think the answer is remediation, not just not using them because like you said, there’s pounds of this shit for free. So you have to remediate. And then secondly, organic coffee is not sprayed with pesticides. organic certification varies. And when it comes to coffee, you are not allowed to spray with chemical pesticides. So if you have organic coffee, you really don’t have to worry about that if the farm is following the rules. I’ve been to some farms that use natural pest control that you could take those coffee grounds, purity coffee grounds right in your fucking garden. You don’t have to think twice about that. So it’s just an interesting thought.
OK Calyx 39:34
And if anybody out there, I’m sure that somebody that is a play, call a barista.
Jordan River 39:39
Barista, barista, baristas make the coffee. Okay,
OK Calyx 39:43
so somebody out there probably has the hookup with coffee grounds. Oh, yeah. You know, I’m saying,
Jordan River 39:49
Yeah, who’s got the organic coffee in Oklahoma?
OK Calyx 39:51
Yeah, I mean, message me. I’ll teach you how to make milk coffee with it. And start using it yourself. Sorry. Give it friends and have it there. just store whatever I mean, it’s used the you know, for organic gardening, again, it growing is totally regenitive. Or you’re reusing your product, you know, eventually I’m sure you can sell it. But that’s just the that’s just the beginning of something fun if somebody has the, I mean, again, Mother Nature is offering you stuff and maybe that’s your form. And maybe that’s your environment saying, Hey, you could look like this. Those coffee grounds are settled, they’re waiting on you to do some, you know, they’re here, they’re around me through Starbucks is just on my way to work, you know, just a little bit further than my work. So I can always go there and ask for it. That’s really cool, man. Yeah, somebody out there got the guts, I’ll help you out does the DM.
Jordan River 40:36
Now, you said that the best compounds for this Bo Kashi method are dry and flaky. Makes sense? Why they use brand, right? Looking at these three, which one was best? I gotta imagine the pool was probably at the bottom. But you tell me which one which one would you rank is like the one that made the most sense was the most effective? And which one do you expect to be most effective, let’s say since it’s still in the works.
OK Calyx 41:01
Well, the one I don’t think I talked about the actual Bo Kashi which I make with wheat bran and rice hulls, em and labs fermented that way for two weeks by blah. But we like you said, we brand is basically nutritionally useless. But it makes a great medium or a carrier of whatever you want. it’ll absorb up a whole lot. And it’ll it’ll shape up into things, you know, it ferments really easy, it packs so well that the air gets out of it, that’s the thing about Bran is if you ever make Bokashi with just sweet brand, you can smash it down in that five gallon bag and work every single bit of air out of it. And when you tie it off, it’ll start to balloon up on you, you know, you’ll have to release the gas and it just will it will really firm it well because it makes sense. That’s what I’m talking about PacSun and shake true well, like when I had when I had rice hulls to wheat bran, it gives more space in the product itself. And so you can smash down a lot, but you still can’t get all the air out. But rice holes are another thing that are basically nutritionally valueless, but really make a great useful organic material to use. Because you know, this stuff isn’t only inoculating your soil it is also eventually breaking down into more soil for you it’s organic matter, you know, it’s its ultimate goal is to be broken down. So that’s Bo Kashi, the actual Bokashi and itself and I use it on my compost. And every morning, when I go out there, if I’ve sprinkled a little on there, it’ll have a nice little Hi Fi cloud starting to form already. So it’s really good. The one I like the most is probably I mean I haven’t used to put coffee, I’m hoping it’s gonna be honest. Oh yeah, the side note Bokashi was I take I’ve been taking little chicken poop tablets and putting them in my pots because again, I thought I had nitrogen problems. So I was trying to figure out ways to get nitrogen. So I took some chicken chicken nuggets, chicken nuggets, and I put them in my pots and started watering it in and that might have been part of the reason they turned green too. But I think starting that JLF was also a big reason. So that was sidenote, I’ll put coffee. But the one that I liked the most is the Canna coffee because it’s totally it’s totally something that a commercial grower could do. Like they have so many plants sometimes like you know, so many ridiculous what are we going to do with all these plants, you know, that kind of thing? Well, you could certainly get a wood chipper grind those suckers up into a huge pile, you can ferment them and five gallon bags, stack them up on top of each other in two weeks you got your own material to start getting microbiology back into soil and all kinds of other uses man all kinds of other uses. So that’s the cool and I think is the Kinesiology wow, you know, I’ve seen other people use that to make Bokashi before you know I just went ahead and used it just woodshed method
Jordan River 43:50
that doesn’t make a lot of sense because everybody’s left with all of that extra wastes you know and like you’re saying they’re used brand for a reason it’s very very effective in this process and you know as it packs down like you said but if you have this material here that’s just waiting to be inoculated with the fermentation process. Yeah, so cool.
OK Calyx 44:09
Yeah, a cannabis if I I don’t know. I mean, I know of farms that do DOM and they go pretty much 100% as best they can close loops on methods, but like a commercial grower in Oklahoma, let’s say the Tulsa area right it’s Wehmeyer here I don’t know if they’re in somebody’s doing this but I feel like I could possibly do it that’s not out of heavy enthusiasm at all. It’s simply because I think I can because I’ve seen how much waste there is and waste and simply nutrient all it is man it’s it’s gonna be soil or nutrient one of the two. And so they’ve got so many leaves and little small branches from defoliation from flour, from shake, trim, all this stuff all that is nutrient it can be put into a jail F then in the probably six months it’s worthy of of being used as as your nutrient back on your plants, and then also making soils and stuff like that that all of your all again, your trim could be used all the sticks all the skeletons, like you said, ground backup ferments. And so it gets lots of microbiology and so starts to break down quickly and it helps other things around it break down quickly. It just, there’s so much there that I feel like I can eat might not be able to cover everything, but I feel like you could almost start to make enough. You can make enough soil and enough nutrients for a commercial grow at some level, like I think like plant count starts to max out and you’re like, Man, I can’t keep up with JLF. Right? Okay, we got to cut the plant count down, and our JLF buckets are going back up. There’s that balance? I think you’d have to find, of course, but there is that balance. And I think that, you know, that’s how I grow here. That’s this is exactly what I do here. It would just be scaled up a little bit more. I’m not saying it’s easy, don’t get me wrong. It’s a hope in my mind that that is a possibility and somebody’s out there actually not buying nutrient and making it from what they’ve been growing right Jaden JDM stuff.
Jordan River 46:05
I think that if you can even get part of the way there right like one step at a time. There are there are people doing that man and God bless those people in the commercial cultivation world because you got to drop those prices. Let me tell you, the profit margin gets slim. I mean, when you talk about coffee, it’s the same thing. The profit margins are razor thin. And I got news for you. That’s where we’re headed. So I love the education get people doing this themselves and in providing the inputs for the home growers. The multi way Bo Kashi is killer. But like you said, at the end of the day, if you can reuse your own stuff in any way, that’s really how you can make the biggest impact to change hands down. Now, before we wrap it up, you mentioned you were working on your outside garden and that you were preparing. You know Oklahoma it’s April now late April, the weather has been on and off, but there’s been some sun. What are you working on? What do you prepare? How do you prepare for your outdoor garden? Veggies and cannabis during this time of year.
OK Calyx 47:03
Alright, so I grow my cannabis just like I grow my veggies and Yoma veggies as I go my cannabis is JLF JMS. And whatever funds things I like to mix up and make and throw at it. There’s Oh, that’s my form in my little environment here. But how I prepare soil like I make nutrient and microbes through JL F and JMS, and then I make soil using KNF methods Imo 1234, and five, you know, that’s my soil side is in the KNF. And then the DOM is my nutrient and then microbe although IMO has microbes in it also, I’m specifically saying I use that for soil specifically. But what I’ve been doing during the fall is I start to gather lots of nuts on the ground, grasses, twigs, leaves, barks, wood dust, you know, fallen trees, just going and digging in Mother Earth and getting things that are already got some rot on it. And I’ll bring those back, put him in five gallon buckets, the trash bags and let them sit around for a few months, maybe I’ll throw some labs in there and microbes, you know, I’ll put some water in there, you just get some moisture, maybe I feel like it maybe not maybe I let it sit there and be dry. But I just gather stuff constantly in the fall. And during the fall I’m also putting leaves in my garden. I’m putting What’s What in the J damn world is called base fertilizer and additional fertilizer. What I’m doing in the fall is my base fertilizer where I’m taking all the plants that are dead now and they fall in the tomato plants you know they fallen over all their own ground now got blight and all that I chopped those at the base. keep chopping them up into half foot, sir footlong pieces and just throw them back in the garden, all the plants, all the leaves all the grasses, anything that’s pulled up stays right there and it goes right back on the ground. That’s called a base fertilizer because all of that plant material took nutrient out of your ground to grow that whole plant just to grow a leaf, six nutrient from the sun nutrient from the ground, all that process. And it continued to pull nutrients, pull, pull, pull, and so that whole plant that’s that’s on the ground right there, if you take it and you throw it away, you’ve removed all that nutrient. And if you haven’t done anything, you’ve left your land a little more barren. Now by doing that, so what I do is we chop and drop basically what’s called a base fertilizer and it’s gonna get all of that organic material on the ground, which is something important to have because organic material, dead organic material attracts microbes, microbes attract shredder shredders, leave things such as Burma compost for us all that and it creates a good rich soil. So organic materials real important. So that base fertilizer, cutting it all cutting all your plants and all that stuff back down. laying it on the ground is important. I did that. Then after that I do what’s called additional fertilizers. That’s where I take my JLF that I’ve been making for years, and I’ll put it in a five gallon bucket and I’ll let a hose just run in the bucket and it just overflows and waters all in this no till area and I’ll move that bucket over after about a minute or two. And that’s more that’s more nutrient that I’m putting back into the soil right I’ve taken it out of all the fruit and vegetables that I ate. It was nutrient for me, but it came from that ground. And so now I’ve been putting my base fertilizer from those plants have been putting my additional fertilizer of JLF and JMS, JDM liquid fertilizer and Judum microbial solution I’ve put those things on my garden constantly during the fall in the spring. What I’ve been doing about the last month now is I’ve been putting labs in there I’ve been putting again JLF I haven’t done much JMS just because it’s temperatures are cold but I have been putting IMO three I’ve been putting liquid IMO three liquid IMO two I’ve been putting IMO two IMO ones, like when I get it at IMO one those bamboo sticks, I’ll just take the IMO one and instead of doing anything with those crumbled into my no till spots and just bam microbes right back in, you know, I don’t do anything with them. I just want those microbes. I’ve been adding lots of mowed grass I’ve been adding Mike right now my garden has a ring of watermelons that have been chopped in half placed facedown and just left there for the worms to come up and eat. I’m just gonna leave them there until they rot down. But that again is that that organic matters that attract microbes, which again, attract the shredders and all that stuff. So my garden right now it looks it’s covered in, it’s covered in mowed grass, it’s covered in lab cheese, it’s covered in old fermented seaweed, and it’s outlined in watermelons turned face down. And that’s what my garden looks like. And so that’s what I do to prepare and here next month, I’ll probably start putting vegetables in hopefully we don’t have any more freezes. I’ll just plant vegetables right by everything that I’ve put in it. And then June 1, I put cannabis in the ground in my notes till spots. That’s the plan.
Jordan River 51:58
Nice. Now, I ran into some heat issues. You know, Oklahoma gets pretty hot. And I wanted to just maybe before we wrap the show here kind of quickly, that was definitely my biggest struggle outdoor. I’m used to growing indoors man, let me be honest, I used to grow, you know, in my parents garden when I was younger, but the climate was different. Everywhere. I’ve grown as an adult, it’s been like rough. And I need to battle that heat in any way that I can. So how do we defend ourselves against this? Like, really oppressive heat?
OK Calyx 52:29
Are you talking about grilling outside?
Jordan River 52:31
Yeah, outside under the sun. Some of my veggies get roasted? The soil dries out real quick. You don’t I’m talking about? Well, yeah.
OK Calyx 52:39
Yeah, definitely. So yeah, there’s in Oklahoma, there’s gonna end August, until August, September, August, September, your turn is gonna get so dang crusty. And there’s water water levels are going to be so low in the ponds. And the reservoir is gonna say, Hey, quit water and stuff. And it’s just not much you can do about it. And you’re going to get dry as a bone. But what you must do now I’m going to be talking about no till spots, just a spot of dirt on the ground and spot a soil I should say on the ground that you’ve worked for a few years or so to put organic matter in and all those things I’ve talked about just a second ago. So growing in no till spots just in the ground, the way I deal with the loss of moisture is constantly having mowed grass or leaves as a cover. If you will have a cover on top of your soil, it will create a bit of an environment and it will it will help stop a lot of that evaporation. He keeps a bit of a cover over your dirt and your soil that will protect the that will protect the moisture in the soil because if your soil is right there, that sun heat is going to beat down heavy and it’s going to heat the dirt up enough to evaporate it. But if you can keep you know for love for lay or say four inches of grass, four inches of leaves, you know, I even put just just old food scraps like basically composting in my garden just to help create a little bit of a top cover just to create some protection for the soil. But that certainly is one thing another thing is don’t water in the morning don’t water in the day water just as it gets dark right just water when it’s not so dang hot when that sun’s gone down just over the skies there and it’s starting to get dark that’s when the water because that water will sit there a lot longer through that nighttime and your plants will be able to drink up enough that it needs it’ll be able to drink a little more and then the sun’s gonna come out and it’s gonna evaporate a lot of the water off your ground and like you said, but that’s a good thing to do to help with some heat. If you try to put it in shade, you’re gonna have to worry about triggering your beard plant into flower a few weeks before you probably want it to because you put it in a place where the shade hits it. The shade hits it a little too early. It’ll it will gonna photons they’ll share your plant into flour. I promise you I’ve done it many many, many, many times here in Oklahoma, you know a day like today or day like yesterday or the day before. We’ve had three rainy dark days all it takes is one All it takes is a long Night. And then one morning of dark clouds and you know, rain maybe, but just dark clouds up until noon or 11. Well, your plans just got triggered into flower in that time, right? Because the darkness was too long for it, then so a cloudy day can trigger your plants outside. But you have to worry about the shade. If you don’t, you know, worry about your flower. But definitely water at night. Definitely have a cover on your soil because that’s definitely going to help with it. And then you know, in August and September when it’s 112 115 for the last 20 days, you’re just seeing what your genetics can do after that,
Jordan River 55:37
man, you got a lot experience growing here. And that’s what I’m so excited to get you down to community cup, bro. This is going to be great. I’m really excited to see your your presentation that you have planned.
OK Calyx 55:46
Yeah, it’s gonna be fun. I’m very excited for my wife is coming.
Jordan River 55:50
I’m so excited man. We’ll see you up there at the Oklahoma City Public farmer’s market may 7 Cannot wait. Okay. calyx is the second to last speaker come and see him come and see me. Come and check it out. Everybody. We flew through this hour calyx. Thank you so much, man. Where can people find you? We will talk very, very shortly again, I’m sure
OK Calyx 56:08
you can find me on Instagram at okay calyx with two axes the two exes because this is my second page man. Instagram took me down one time for for I have no idea why just all sudden, you’re gone. And that’s that’s okay. counts for two exes. My genetics page. I have a lot of pictures of just, you know, plants that people grow and my genetics is having fun showing things. I’m okay. Calix genetics at Okay. Calix genetics. My email is okay. email@example.com Okay, firstname.lastname@example.org. And right now to the end of and I don’t know when this will come out. But this is the month of April. I have bundled cells. I’ve got input bundle as I am bamboo, the 503 bundle and the genetics bundle. And those are on my okay calyx page, you can email me okay. email@example.com. And then I’ve got one thing I want to tell you is I got Oh, a change just came on top. I have it you can reach out to me again. Okay, Galaxy gmail.com. And also have what’s called em five. These are two natural pesticides that organic growers use. And it takes a little time and little practice to make but they’re up for sale. So I’m going to be using some and I made a bunch so you can email me. But Jordan, thanks for talking again. I’m super excited to do this community stuff just get to talk and hang out with people and
Jordan River 57:31
of course man we couldn’t do without you there of course community cup Oklahoma would not be complete without Okay, calyx. Thank you, man. Thank you all the listeners. I appreciate you out there for tuning in. Stay tuned. We got some more banger episodes coming at you. That’s all for now. Remember, grow cast podcast.com/action To see all this stuff, including the cup. And I’ll see you on the next episode. Thank you, Alex. We’ll talk to you soon. Okay. The community COVID See you there. Bye everybody be safe and grow smarter. That’s our show. Thank you so much for tuning in. And thank you for listening to grow cast. We got events coming up, grow cast podcast.com/classes We’ll bring you there Pesta Palooza grab your tickets right now code grow cast for $20 off and we’re in Long Island. Yeah, that’s right. June 3 Saturday, June 3 Long Island grab your tickets now East Coast can’t wait to see you there. And then of course may 7. What is that this Sunday? We are doing the community cup Oklahoma. Don’t forget it. Don’t lose track of it. Mark your calendars community cup Oklahoma stacked card. Brandon rust. Okay. Kalex touched by cannabis, Oklahoma fungi Farmer John, me, Kyle from the FOUP soil guru might even be missing someone in there. There’s so much going on. You’re gonna want to check it out. We got a People’s Choice Cup where you judge the white market cultivators, we got a home grower showcase where the speakers give prizes to the home growers. It’s all happening DAB bars, education, flour and fun food. May 7, Oklahoma City Public Farmers Market I’ll see you there. Everybody grow cast podcast.com/classes should have all those links for slash community cup if you want to go to the cup. Alright, everybody, after I get through this cup, I’m gonna release a huge update. I’ve been thinking for a long time about the future of the program and how I’m going to spend the rest of 2023 and 2024. And I’m slowing down the live events just a little bit, spreading them out, switching up to some different curriculums and bringing focus back to this show and a membership. Got some really cool announcements coming up. So don’t go anywhere. Don’t touch that dial. I hope you’re doing incredible things through garden. I hope you learned something on each and every episode of grow cast. Alright everybody, see you next time. Bye bye.
OK Calyx 1:00:02
Like I sent you a video of all the IGN that I had jarred up and it’s so much